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Can You Have a Successful Practice and See Five Patients Each Day?

Every day, primary care doctors are running from room to room, having less and less time to spend with their patients. That’s because our current system incentivizes doctors to see more and more patients in less and less time. Doctors lose out because they don’t have enough time to invest in the relationship with patients, and patients lose out because they don’t have enough time to get the excellent medical care that they deserve.

But what if there was a better way?

In this podcast episode hosted by Brent Lacey MD and the Scope of Practice, we explore what it looks like to start and grow a direct primary care practice. In this model, the relationship between doctor and patient is paramount. Therefore, there is a huge emphasis on creating enough time for doctor and patient to spend together, creating enough time and space for the delivery of excellent medical care.

Here’s what the Scope of Practice had to say about it:

Episode 20 – The Direct Primary Care (DPC) model is disrupting the marketplace of the modern healthcare industry.  It’s a good thing too, since the U.S. is projecting a massive shortage of physicians over the next 20 years.  Dr. Paul Thomas has become a national expert in the DPC model, having successfully built his own direct primary care practice over the last few years.

In this model, he sees 5-6 patients a day, makes a middle six-figure salary, and has tremendous patient satisfaction scores.  If that sounds too good to be true, it almost is.  Work less and make good money?  And it’s better for your patients?  And it saves them money too?  No, this is not a scam, this is a phenomenal business model!

Whether you’re interested in direct primary care or not, this episode has got some great information for you!  Dr. Thomas shares his incredible business savvy to help us learn how we can modify our own practice to make more money, have a better lifestyle, and yet still help our patients more!

“Direct primary care is ‘concierge medicine for everyone else.’  It’s a membership model for primary care that makes health care affordable for the average person.”

 – Dr. Paul Thomas

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HOW CAN I LEARN MORE ABOUT STARTING A DIRECT PRIMARY CARE PRACTICE?

If you enjoyed reading this blog post and if you want to learn more about starting and growing your direct primary care practice, look no further than our book and our courses on how to start and grow your direct primary care practice. We at Startup DPC have begun compiling some of the best content available on this blog, in our book, and in our courses.

The best place to start is to take our Direct Primary Care Business Plan course, available here. From there, you can learn how to attract new patients to your direct primary care practice and how to find the perfect location or build out the practice of your dreams.

Thanks for reading and watching, and best of luck in your direct primary care journey!

-Dr. Paul Thomas with Startup DPC

Leveraging Your Personal Brand to Grow Your Direct Primary Care Practice

This week was amazing in that I had a post go viral on LinkedIn. I’ve been posting weekly on my social media accounts for the last 3 to 4 years about my work with Direct Primary Care and our practice Plum Health DPC and this is the first time that I’ve had a post go viral.

Here’s the post in full from LinkedIn. If we’re not connected on LinkedIn, please feel free to reach out:

This focus on virality may seem like vanity, but it has important implications for our business at Plum Health and for the broader direct primary care movement. Here’s why going viral is important:

  • builds awareness for my personal and professional brands

  • gives me credibility as an authority on direct primary care, house calls, and health care in Detroit and beyond

  • increases traffic to our website, Plum Health DPC, as that link is at the bottom of the post

  • I can now use this post as a peg to engage with journalists, generating more news, more engagement, and getting more attention for my business

  • this post has increased new membership/sales for our direct primary care practice, Plum Health DPC

Our viral post about making house calls in Detroit has now reached 1.5 million people via LinkedIn

Our viral post about making house calls in Detroit has now reached 1.5 million people via LinkedIn

With that being said, I’m so excited to launch our newest course, Leveraging Your Personal Brand to Grow Your Direct Primary Care Practice. I want to teach you everything I know about starting and growing a Direct Primary Care practice, and one of the most important lessons that I can teach you is how to use your personal brand to grow your practice. You can take the course, here.

HOW CAN I LEARN MORE ABOUT STARTING A DIRECT PRIMARY CARE PRACTICE?

If you enjoyed reading this blog post and if you want to learn more about starting and growing your direct primary care practice, look no further than our book and our courses on how to start and grow your direct primary care practice. We at Startup DPC have begun compiling some of the best content available on this blog, in our book, and in our courses.

The best place to start is to take our Direct Primary Care Business Plan course, available here. From there, you can learn how to attract new patients to your direct primary care practice and how to find the perfect location or build out the practice of your dreams.

Thanks for reading and watching, and best of luck in your direct primary care journey!

-Dr. Paul Thomas with Startup DPC

Direct Primary Care Doctors Embrace the Startup DPC Book and Courses

Where to find the best information for starting a direct primary care practice

Direct primary care doctors are trying to get the best information on how to start and grow their direct primary care practices. There’s a lot of good resources in the DPC ecosystem, but we want to deliver the best content that helps doctors transform the way they approach starting and growing their DPC practices.

Dr. Prisiliano Salas recently took our Sales Funnel course, and he had great things to say about the process. Check out his LinkedIn Post, here:

Testimonial for Startup DPC book and Courses

Post from Dr. Prisiliano Salas about the Startup DPC Book and Startup DPC Courses:

Just finished a course by Paul Thomas, M.D. from Plum Health DPC and #startupdpc. Let me just say that Paul knows his stuff. I met him in 2018 at the Family Medicine DPC Summit. He gave a lecture about his experience starting a #DirectPrimaryCare practice and using social media marketing strategies. I've been following him on/off during this time but had not fully made the jump onto social platforms the way he describes it. Now two years later his practice growth is testament to this method. He's full and added a new doc! On top of that he remains faithful to his mission, to empower the #DPC community with his knowledge and reproducible success. I'm now ready to embrace social media to share my knowledge and experience with my patients (though still working up to youtube to get more camera ready 😎 ). Take one of his courses or read one of his 2 books, he won't disappoint. Keep the momentum going!

Thank you so much for the shout out Dr. Salas! and best of luck with your direct primary care practice. I know that you’ll have every advantage on attracting new patients after taking our Sales Funnel course.

-Dr. Paul Thomas with Startup DPC

Thank you so much for the shout out Dr. Salas! and best of luck with your direct primary care practice. I know that you’ll have every advantage on attracting new patients after taking our Sales Funnel course.

Thank you so much for the shout out Dr. Salas! and best of luck with your direct primary care practice. I know that you’ll have every advantage on attracting new patients after taking our Sales Funnel course.

More about Prisiliano Salas, MD

To learn more about Dr. Prisiliano Salas, MD, check out his practice, Salveo Direct Care, or read his bio, here:

Dr. Prisiliano Salas is a Board Certified Family Medicine physician practicing in the Medical Center in San Antonio. His practice is Salveo Direct Care, one of the first Direct Primary Care clinics in San Antonio and Bexar County TX. In this new model of practice, Dr. Salas offers membership-based care without the limitations that health insurance can have on primary care visits. His mission is to deliver convenient and accessible health care services in San Antonio and across the state of Texas. He is a graduate of The University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, TX and holds a Plant-based nutrition certification from Cornell University - T. Collin Campbell Center for Nutrition Studies.

Dr. Paul Thomas on Primary Care Cures with Ron Barshop

Recently I was interviewed by Ron Barshop on his podcast, Primary Care Cures. Here’s what he wrote about the show:

In this episode Ron gets the chance to chat again with Direct Primary Care expert, Dr. Paul Thomas of Plum Health DPC. In this episode he talks about how we went directly into primary care out of college and what his work week looks like, including blogging and youtubing the DPC message. He stressed the importance of relationships with small businesses and reaching the public via social media. Paul touches on how he has been successful in growing his business without brokers so far. He discusses what it takes start a DPC practice, the importance of a good name, creating a SEO course for DPC docs. He addresses Fears physicians have about going into DPC. Here Paul also shares his thoughts around end of life care and end of life care planning.

Paul is a board-certified family medicine physician practicing in Southwest Detroit. His practice is Plum Health DPC, a Direct Primary Care service that is the first of its kind in Detroit and Wayne County. His mission is to deliver affordable, accessible health care services in Detroit and beyond. He has been featured on WDIV-TV Channel 4, WXYZ Channel 7, Crain’s Detroit Business and CBS Radio. He has been a speaker at TEDxDetroit. He is a graduate of Wayne State University School of Medicine and now a Clinical Assistant Professor. Finally, he is an author of the book Direct Primary Care: The Cure for Our Broken Healthcare System.

Listen to the full interview here.

Here’s an excerpt from the interview (below) and the full transcript is here.

How I decided to start my direct primary care practice

Yeah. Well, in my last year of medical school, I actually heard Josh [inaudible 00:04:50] on a podcast and I kind of filed that idea in the back of my brain because I thought I was going to be a professor at a teaching hospital and seeing patients and working with the residents and students, but the deeper and deeper I got into my residency, the less and less time I had with my patients. And I found myself really unsatisfied in the level of care I was able to deliver to my patients simply because I didn't have enough time. Page 3 of 13 And then I got to see Clint Flanagan, Dr. Clint Flanagan of NextEra in Michigan. He was speaking in a conference in Michigan. And so, I talked to both of these physicians and I asked if I could visit their practices. And so in my last year of residency, I wrote a curriculum, a direct primary care curriculum, and I drove out to these two practices and I took the best of their ideas and I brought it back to my hometown in Detroit. And that's where I started Plum Health. And that's three years later from that moment, I'm full with 500 patients and I've brought on a second doctor to help me meet the additional demand.

What’s a Typical Day Like for a Direct Primary Care Doctor

Well, typically most busy on Mondays and Fridays and I'll typically see about five to eight patients each day. Typically, one hour for new patients and 30 minutes for followups. I'll do a lot of texting and phone calls with my patients. I typically field about 20 to 30 text messages each day and just answering some simple questions or coordinating appointments or texting my patients and asking them, "Hey, I saw you on Wednesday with a runny nose and cough. How are you feeling today now that it's four or five days later?" So, that's a workflow that I have and I'm typically in my office 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM.

The other part of it is like on a weekly basis, I'm working on blog posts. I write a blog post and shoot a short YouTube video and post that onto my blog. And then on a weekly basis, I reach out to a small business in my community and ask them, "Would you like to enroll your people into our membership model?" And so, there's different hats that I wear. I'm of course always checking the finances of the business and making sure that our profit and loss statement is lining up each month. So, there's other things beyond patient care and I just fit those between my patient visits so that my business remains healthy as well.

Paul Thomas interviewed by Ron Barshop on Primary Care Cures. See the original post, here.

Paul Thomas interviewed by Ron Barshop on Primary Care Cures. See the original post, here.

How do you attract new patients to your Direct Primary Care Practice?

Yeah, I think it's important to develop relationships with small businesses because I really believe that if you're a small business and you're not offering some sort of health care benefit, you would be doing your employees a great service by offering something like this, even if you can't afford health insurance. This is something where offering like direct primary care can help employees maintain a good level of health and have something where they can actually access a physician and have guidance through their illnesses and injuries. And then, I'm also really focusing on social media and reaching the general public. That's where 90% of my members are coming from. So, I try to strike a balance of landing some larger groups, some larger customers, and also maintaining an outreach to individuals.

As for employer groups, I mostly am focusing on those employer groups that are fewer than 50 full time equivalent because those are the folks that aren't mandated to provide health insurance for their employees and they often end up in this messy middle where they're not doing anything because they don't know what's out there.

How Do I Start a Direct Primary Care Practice?

Well, I actually get this question so much that I decided to put all of my knowledge into a website that I recently created and it's in a soft launch right now. It's called startupdpc.com. And folks can go through and read how to, how to start a direct primary care practice. There's a long form blog post that I put there where you can read through, okay, do I have the right mentality to start this? Am I willing to give up the paycheck? Do how to come up with a great name for my practice? How to develop a website? How to build out social media channels? And that kind of gives you a broad overview of if this is something that you want to tackle on your own or with a partner or with some help. And then, I take it one step further and I take a really deep dive into individual topics. And I put together some courses that people can take to really cement their knowledge and become proficient in the skills that you need to become a great direct primary care physician with a thriving successful practice.

A lot of people in medicine have no business experience. And one of the things I often tell people is business is relationships. So as a primary care doctor, we are the most friendly, outgoing doctors that there are. And so how do you cultivate good relationships with people in your community, with small business owners, to create a practice that works for you and works well for your patients?

HOW CAN I LEARN MORE ABOUT STARTING A DIRECT PRIMARY CARE Practice?

If you enjoyed reading this blog post and if you want to learn more about starting and growing your direct primary care practice, look no further than our courses on how to start and grow your direct primary care practice. We at Startup DPC have begun compiling some of the best content available on this blog and in our courses.

The best place to start is to take our Direct Primary Care Business Plan course, available here. From there, you can learn how to attract new patients to your direct primary care practice and how to find the perfect location or build out the practice of your dreams.

Thanks for reading and watching, and best of luck in your direct primary care journey!

- Dr. Paul Thomas with Startup DPC

Startup DPC Mailbag: How Much Money Do You Need To Start a Direct Primary Care Practice?

Just about everyday, I get some great questions about starting and growing a direct primary care practice. A colleague just read my book and asked the following questions:

How much money do you need to start a direct primary care practice?

This is a question I recently received from someone interested in the direct primary care movement. And, it's a good question. I'll start by saying that I've addressed this question in great detail in my course on Writing a Business Plan for your Direct Primary Care practice.

So, for a full answer to this question, please go to our Take Action page and check out the Business Plan course!

To answer the question more directly, a direct primary care practice can be started with $5,000 or with $50,000. It depends on how expensive your lease is, how many staff members you have, how much equipment you need to buy, and how resourceful you are.

For many doctors in the direct primary care movement, they know how important it is to keep their overhead low. A lower overhead leads to a lower price point for patients and therefore a more sustainable medical practice.

For me, I launched my practice with about $20,000 in the bank. I bought a $700 exam table, a $1,700 EKG machine, and a $700 pulmonary function test (PFT) machine. I spent about $600 each month on rent, $450 each month on my malpractice insurance, $300 monthly on the electronic medical record system, $500 monthly on medications, and $500 monthly on lab work. Those were the biggest expenses when I started, and my monthly expenses for the first few months of practice were in the $3,000 monthly range.

This low overhead made it easy to break even for operations, and I broke even for operations with around 85 patients or 85 members in my practice.

A quick breakdown of the Startup Costs for our Direct Primary Care Practice

How much money do you need to start a direct primary care practice? Here's some basic numbers during my first few months of operation with our direct primary care practice at Plum Health DPC:

  • One-time purchases:

    • Exam table $700

    • EKG Machine $1,700

    • Legal services/patient contracts $2,500

    • PFT Machine $700

    • Bookcase $200

    • Comfy Chair $200

    • Basic supplies and equipment: $1,000

    • Small Business courses/educational resources on how to operate a business successfully: $1,000

  • Monthly costs:

    • Lease on a space $600 monthly

    • Malpractice Insurance $450 monthly

    • Electronic medical record system $300 monthly

    • Cost to purchase medications $500 monthly

    • Cost of laboratory services $500 monthly

    • Cost of misc supplies and equipment $500 monthly

In my first 9 months of practice, my overhead costs averaged at $3,664 monthly.

By month 9, my revenue was at $7,679.10, aka profitable!

Conclusion: You could start a very simple DPC Practice for $5,000 to $10,000, because we started our direct primary care practice for a relatively small amount of money.

Again, I take a deeper dive into these startup costs for a direct primary care practice in our business plan course.

#Startup #DirectPrimaryCare #StartupCosts #Overhead #ProfitAndLoss

What is the typical startup cost for a direct primary care practice?

Every direct primary care practice is different! When you’ve seen one DPC practice, you’ve seen one DPC practice, meaning that each clinic is going to be unique based on geography, demographics, state laws, and the doctor’s preferences. Therefore, there’s going to be a wide range in startup costs for a Direct Primary Care practice.

If you’re just buying supplies to furnish a small office, you should plan on spending $10,000. If you need legal help to set up contracts, you should add in $2,500. If you include things like your first month’s rent, malpractice insurance, the cost of your electronic medical record, internet, utilities, and phone lines, you should budget an additional $5,000. If you have a medical assistant on staff, you can plan on spending $3,500 each month for their salary. So, startup costs for a modest one or two room office might be $17,500 without a staff member or $21,000 with a staff member, which could include your first month of operation.

What is the average malpractice insurance cost for a family medicine doctor?

The next question is harder for me to answer. I only know what my experience has been like. For me, I purchased malpractice insurance for $450 each month. I was told that Wayne County’s malpractice insurance rate is the highest in the State of Michigan, so this cost is likely much lower in other areas of the state.

The price of the policy does decrease as we add more doctors in the practice.

Are you able to make a decent living as a direct primary care doctor?

Yes! Yes, you can make a good amount of money as a direct primary care doctor. It depends on how good you are at running a business, the cost of your overhead expenses, the prices you charge your patients, and the number of staff members that you have.

The person who asked this question went on to say: “ You have roughly 500 patients paying you about $69 each month, which comes out to only $34,000 each month! And then you have overhead costs like rent, utilities, taxes, staff payroll, etc… Additionally, you’re placing yourself on call for your patients around the clock. Is it worth it?”

For me, I didn’t start a direct primary care practice to make money. I started my direct primary care practice to take care of my patients on my own terms, to develop a fulfilling practice of medicine, and to treat my neighbors and patients with kindness and respect. I definitely want to make money and I need to make money to be successful, but it’s not the main motivation for my practice. In fact, nothing pays like autonomy - I can practice medicine how it’s supposed to be practice and I am not at the mercy of a giant hospital system telling me what to do or how many patients I must see in an hour or in a day.

How is direct primary care different than concierge medicine?

That’s another can of worms, and I’ll leave you this blog post that I wrote for Plum Health DPC, which is one of the most frequently visited pages on our blog and a top hit on Google when you search for DPC vs concierge medicine. Here’s that blog post!

How do you offer your direct primary care services to small businesses?

We offer the membership services to small businesses in our neighborhood. We have several small businesses enrolled in our services at Plum Health DPC. The employer usually pays for the monthly costs of the employees, and the employees pay for any additional services like labs, meds, or imaging services. Here’s our sales page for employer groups via Plum Health DPC.

How can I learn more about starting a direct primary care practice?

If you want to learn more about starting and growing your direct primary care practice, look no further than our courses on how to start and grow your direct primary care practice. We at Startup DPC have begun compiling some of the best content available on this blog and in our courses.

The best place to start is to take our Direct Primary Care Business Plan course, available here. From there, you can learn how to attract new patients to your direct primary care practice and how to find the perfect location or build out the practice of your dreams.

How can I find a Great Direct Primary Care doctor?

If you’re looking for a great direct primary care doctor and you’re in the Detroit area, we’re at Plum Health DPC. If you’re not in the Detroit area, there’s a great website called the DPC Mapper where you can find a DPC doctor near you!

Thanks for reading and watching, and best of luck in your direct primary care journey!

-Paul Thomas, MD

Dr. Paul Thomas Featured on the Soul of Enterprise Podcast

This month, I was featured on the Soul of Enterprise Podcast and we had a great conversation around the Direct Primary Care Model and some of the challenges and opportunities therein. They also give a shoutout to the new Startup DPC platform, and how to start and grow your own Direct Primary Care practice. Here’s what they wrote:

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A SMART DOCTOR RECOGNIZES THAT THERE IS A BETTER WAY?

Is it possible for family physician to operate under a subscription-based business model, priced below what you pay for your mobile phone service? What about services not covered by the subscription? Could those be priced with full certainty and transparency?

For episode 269, we had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Paul Thomas, founder of Plum Health DPC. Dr. Paul Thomas is a board-certified family medicine physician practicing in Corktown, Detroit. His practice is Plum Health DPC, a Direct Primary Care service that is the first of its kind in Detroit and Wayne County. His mission is to deliver affordable, accessible health care services in Detroit and beyond. He has been featured on WDIV-TV Channel 4, WXYZ Channel 7, Crain's Detroit Business and CBS Radio. He has been a speaker at TEDxDetroit. He is a graduate of Wayne State University School of Medicine and now a Clinical Assistant Professor. Finally, he is an author of the book Direct Primary Care: The Cure for Our Broken Healthcare System.

Below are show notes and questions we asked our guest. Use these to help guide you along when listening to the podcast (embedded above).

Ed’s Questions

  • What is Direct Primary Care?

  • Based on an interview I saw you do, there’s no wait time for patients?

  • Why did you go this route—Direct Primary Care?

  • You were burned out in your residency. What was the moment that you said I can’t do what most people are signing up to do?

  • Most time patients do get with their doctors is spent with the doctor typing and facing a screen.

  • What are some of things that are covered in your clinic?

  • What you are capable of doing in your practice is probably 80-90% of what a healthy patient would need in a given year?

  • It would cost me personally about $840 in your practice. If you’re so cheap, why is healthcare so expensive?

  • It’s said America pays more than the average OECD country, but there’s no price transparency in the system, which inflates those prices, correct?

  • What are some of the barriers you see that are still in the way of physicians getting into DPC and patients being able to access DPC?

  • When you did start, did you consider other pricing models? Yours is based on age, but did you consider, for example, response times, or different services you would include and exclude?

  • Do you have any jumpers, and by that I mean people who pay for a month and then leave, then come back six months later?

  • You’re now also offering rates to small businesses in your area?

  • And the companies pay your membership as part of the employees benefit package?

  • You believe that patients should also have a catastrophic health insurance plan?

  • We don’t expect our auto insurance to pay for gasoline but we do expect our health insurance to pay for a blood test. It’s absurd?

  • I was struck that in your TedX talk you used the phrase “living my truth,” take us through that, what does that phrase mean to you? 

Ron’s Questions

  • In your book, Direct Primary Care: The Cure for Our Broken Healthcare System, you cite a 2016 study performed by Medscape found 51% of physicians experience burnout. Burnout is defined as a loss of enthusiasm for work, feelings of cynicism, and a low sense of personal accomplishment. You felt this in your residency. How long did it take you to work up to 500 patients?

  • How did you market your practice, was it social media, word-of-mouth, press. I know you did a Tedx talk.

  • I know DPC is in the same family of Concierge Medicine, which has the reputation of being just for the elite, which isn’t true. But the DPC prices are usually less than a mobile phone bill.

  • On the cover of your book there’s a picture of you trying to catch sand through your hands. Can you explain that analogy?

  • You talk about technology and how there’s too much borrowing from Henry Ford’s assembly line, treating customers like commodities rather than human interaction. It’s not very efficient to sit and listen to your patient read you poetry. It is, however, highly effective. Would you agree with that?

  • You also talk how the average of GP doctors have 2,400 patients. Do you think this DPC model will alleviate this GP doctor shortage?

  • You talk about the growth of urgent care centers in the US is a symptom of a failed primary care system.

  • Do you feel that people who are not licensed could do some of the work now being done by physicians? What’s your view of occupational licensing and how it folds into this model/

  • You mentioned to Ed that insurance companies try to get as many dollars passing through the hands. They don’t seem to like the concierge or DPC models, not because they compete with actuarial based insurance but because they compete with pre-paid medical care. Did Michigan pass a law that made it clear that DPC is not an insurance product?

  • Just seems to be like insurance companies would like to block this model. Is that a fair statement?

  • There’s obviously some education going on with doctors with respect to DPC, but we also need to re-educate patients to see you even when they are healthy, not just when they are sick. Has that been an educational process to get patients to see you even when they don’t have an issue?

  • We talk a lot about the market share myth, that growth for the sake of the growth is the ideology of the cancer cell, not a sustainable, profitable business. You phrase it in your book as “Value over volume.” You must be asked a lot that healthcare is different than any other product or service we buy, how do you explain to people that it can be priced like other things we buy

  • Your model is restoring the sacred relationship between the patient and doctor. You’re bringing this back to the days of Marcus Welby.

  • I’ve read that most calls (82%) are received during normal business hours, that patients don’t abuse your time off. Has that been your experience unless there’s been an emergency?

  • Tell us about your new venture, www.startupdpc.com.

  • If you could wave a magic wand to reform healthcare, what would you do? [Price transparency and quality scores was Dr. Paul’s answer].

How To Listen to the Podcast:

How To get more Media Coverage for your direct primary care practice?

DPC Docs often wonder how they can get more media attention and more media coverage! Media coverage is crucial because it can amplify your message by one thousand fold. To be honest, this can be a tough process, as virtually every business wants to be featured in the media. But there are several steps that you can take to be featured in a big news outlet.

One of the first steps that you can take is to become Media Ready. What do I mean by Media Ready? You have to be ready to speak eloquently on air and therefore you have to practice. A great way to practice is by being interviewed on a local podcast. Speaking to reporters, being interviewed, and interacting with journalists is a skill that can be honed, and you can build that skill by working with podcasters. The more touches that you get, the better you'll become.

Action step: reach out to a local podcaster and ask if they'd be willing to feature you on their show. Repeat weekly until you sound amazing. Sometimes they will reach out to you, but more often you’ll have to reach out to them. Ask if they’d be interested in talking with you on their podcast. If so, great! If not, move on to the next opportunity.

Then, when a big media or show Program Producer is looking for a guest, they can listen to your previous material and decide if you'll be a good fit.

I’ve included our latest podcast interview (above) to illustrate that every podcast is a great opportunity - every interview helps me to be better and better, and every interview is an opportunity to reach the next customer, so I make time for as many interviews as possible.

Thanks for reading and listening! And, if you like this content, you’ll probably enjoy our course on Building a Sales Funnel. This course walks you through how to get more eyeballs to your website and therefore how to get more people to sign up for your Direct Primary Care practice.

Thanks again,

-Dr. Paul Thomas with Startup DPC